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Various theories and the like...
There are those who hold to the theories of soulriders, reincarnations, otherkin within and human without. Memories of past lives and times before. This is most common, I have found, with vampires actually. Until joining this community none of the otherkin I had met were soul-otherkin. All were body-otherkin. I'm not saying that reincarnation doesn't happen, or that otherkin who are soul-based are lying... rather that I am learning more every day. A Good Thing[tm].

This leads to the second theory, that of intermingling of races, intermarriage and 'breeds' occuring, though it appears that otherkin traits are dominant in many cases. A "half-elf" doesn't appear to be JUST a half-elf, usually they're MUCH closer to being a full elf. There are no discernible 'elves' in my family tree from the few pictures we have though both sides seem to have had Fae rumours going back to Scotland and England where my roots lie.

I have seen and met giant types (troll and ogre mostly), satyrs, sidhe, at least one dwarf (short, stocky and I watched him carry an old steel refridgerator up two flights of stairs on his back, alone!) and severeal other types. I've met feline types... Rakshasa? I don't know... we don't have a name for them yet... though it's noted that MOST elves have feline characteristics. I've met many vampires in the last couple of years, both Sang and Psy.

Back in the 80's, pre-Internet, one of my 'responsiblities' was hunting down otherkin and bringing them to families, communities. I lived in Toronto and found a fair number, mostly sylvan sorts. I retired for a few years but got... well, dragged out of it by circumstances and people *heh*

There ARE a lot of fakes out there. Unbelievers. Gamers. Each time I see a 400lb fanboy with canine facial hair claim to be an elf, I chuckle and think "wannabe". It's because being otherkin can SEEM to be glamourous. Can be desirable. It can also be dangerous. VERY.

I am giving a workshop at KinNorth on Otherkin Hunting, how to identify and discover. To help us find more of our kin.

I don't often like the term 'awakened' as most otherkin I know always have been. Yes, many become 'aware' that they're different, but they haven't been sleeping, merely ignorant of who and what they are. There are physical, emotional, psychological attributes that otherkin have that humans don't. Yeah, okay, so accuse me of trying to jam something into scientific explanations but there ARE logical reasons and basis, there are ways to make the unbelievers convinced that you're not "creepy and dangerous" weird, that you're something else. 'Course, we shouldn't tell EVERYONE 'bout this. There ARE a lot of guntoting, smallminded, brutal and bullyish redneck types in the world *sigh* darnit.

Most of the 'research' and discussion done, way back when, when I first started on this journey, WAS done with a small group of humans. They were very openminded and we worked through many theories, discarding those that did not end up working.

Energy. Otherkin have a different energy than humans. For those who CAN sense it, the best way to find otherkin. Vamps find otherkin a different taste sensation when they feed. The energy is 'richer and more potent' I am told. I do not see energy, I hear it (one of the reasons that I am a Disk Jockey, among other things *heh*). One otherkin I know feels energy, in a tactile manner.

Love between otherkin and human is rare and treasured. Otherkin are most happy with each the other. Sex between otherkin is, I am told, VERY intense. Uh... I'll admit to having had such relations only with humans to date *shrug* My ill fate.

Otherkin give off something. Small children can tell. Younglings will stare with fascination at otherkin and rarely feel threatened, finding their target somehow fun, interesting, fascinating, funny or otherwise a reason to smile. Hell, I always tell people I scare children (and if you saw me, you'd see why) but on busses, in malls, little kids who see me smile and laugh. Methinks that 'tis true, as humans grow older, they lose sight of things, they become TOO real, TOO grounded in this world and lose the other.

For the record, I'm unsure about angels. I know and believe in winged otherkin but angels are a creation of the Christian mythos and I'm not really buying into that.

History embraces us as a mystery. The tall, white people who were known to the egyptians, the central american civilizations, the russian steppe people and the mongols, they were us. The Atlanteans, those hailing from Ur or Mu... it was the same place (and NOT where they think it was though latest theories actually make sense and place it where it COULD have been) were us. The teachers, the healers, the scientists and discoverers of ancient times were we. We have been hidden and we have walked in the sunshine in turn, as necessary.

But things are happening, there are changes that have occured over the last decade (particularly in the ley lines, the dragon lines that beat with the world's lifeblood, her energy), and there is a reason, methinks, that we are all coming back out into the open again, slowly.

Hate to be a doomsayer, but methinks things WILL get uglier before they get better. I just think that we, the otherkin, the 'strange' and the 'weird' and the 'freaks' are the ones that will be best prepared for it.

Okay, I've rambled enough *chuckle*

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phayra From: phayra Date: March 1st, 2002 12:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I don't think Christianity is anyway any better or any worse religion than any other. Like a very wise man once told me, every single religion is it's own truth. There is a place for every religion. Every belief has its own 'world' so to speak.

What has happened lately, the amount of otherkin coming 'out of the closet' and other changes is, yes, indicating a big change. After the exoduses of magic, it's coming back, slowly. I'm just waiting for the big flood. And definitely, for a decade or so, I'm quite sure it will be a chaos. The world is preparing now and a lot of the people already are working for it, making sure it will happen and preparing the world for it. A lot of changes will happen, a lot of people might die, a lot of otherkin as well, but it needs to happen. The world is dying without the magic keeping it alive. The magic on the earth is barely enough to keep the earth breathing. The life of the earth is magic itself. It needs to heal.
lothie From: lothie Date: March 1st, 2002 06:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Angels are as much a creation of Xian mythos as are Vampires, my dear. The Xians are just borrowing them.

I agree with much of what you say. Though I know some souls that are trapped in bodies that are not right for them. My mate, for instance, is a werewolf, and is not the original inhabitant of his body. He's got a lot of physical wolf characteristics but he's also killing his body because it's not the right one for him.

I'm personally an Elf, always knew I was one, went "dormant" for years due to outside pressure, and was very happy to find I wasn't alone. Not that I've ever really been truly alone...I'm also a host for another Elf (fortunately, a very dear person to me). But I mean, I'd thought perhaps I was just crazy.

But yes, I know what you mean about the energy. It's different.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 6th, 2002 09:46 pm (UTC) (Link)


No no, vampires predate christianity and appear in nonjudaeochristian mythos. The christians just added the whole cross thing... and I actually think t'was Stoker who did that, himself.

Even when a 'walker' takes over another's body, there are physical characteristics that eventually begin to show, I've found... perhaps just my own experiences. Far be it from me to knowing everything. I learn more each day I awake. But some of those who step into a body do it damage rather than help... and some help where none was before. Each of us is more individualistic cases than are humans. Lucky beings.

And I know vamps who LOOOOOVE the taste of otherkin energy. It's apparently rich and thick and chocolick... and you can't drink it all if it's Quick... er sorry *heh*

Otherkin also respond to alcohol, nicotine, caffeine, and various drugs and substances differently than do humans. Medical records HAVE, at times, made hunting all the easier...
lothie From: lothie Date: March 7th, 2002 08:33 am (UTC) (Link)
No no, vampires predate christianity and appear in nonjudaeochristian mythos.

That was my POINT. So do angels. The Xians, and the Jews for that matter, are just borrowing angels. They have little or nothing to do with Xianity, or even Judaism. Ergo, they're just as "kinny" as vampires.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 7th, 2002 11:24 pm (UTC) (Link)


Ah... I don't have a lot of experience with angels. Haven't read a lot about them, and what I did didn't mention wings. They described "tall, pale figures, slender and sharp of feature. Often associated with reptiles. Some mention is made of cloaks, made of feathers, which they wore." I figured those sounded like elves more than angels!

Obviously I've more research to do *grin*
crowwysper From: crowwysper Date: March 1st, 2002 06:28 am (UTC) (Link)


I will agree with most things you say. As for otherkin looking outwardly what their race is, I both agree and disagree. I don't look bird like, save for the intense eyes. But it's the way my inner soul, the crow soul, bursts through. My great-Uncle was a Native American shaman. He was the first to see in me what I felt all along. He called me Crow in the Night. The way I move, the questioning look in my eyes as I tilt my head. The way crows are attracted to me. I've got 6 crow nests outside my window. I've had them land on my shoulders, sit beside me on park benches. When I wake up in the morning, I can feel wings stretching from me. Often times, I've found feathers beside my bed. I can make the sounds, the caws and like. I unerstand what each nose, motion means. Because I've made them myself. But the thing that convinces me the most is the feeling that my soul is not right in this body. My skin is too tight. Yet, as I stated before, my outward appearence looks nothing like a bird. To me,at least.

I've met many of the otherkin. My best friend is a Energy vamp. My love is a were-tiger. (the crow and the tiger. heh) I've passed by people on the street, and felt this surge of energy from them. And most time they'll turn, look at me and give this knowing smile...

As for the children.. YES! Children love me. My little sister once asked me where I hid my wings..

And for impending doom.. I try not to think of it. I am of a kind that carries souls. I will tell you this.. In the near future, those that live will see numerous crows in the sky. More than there are now. Already, it's started. And that can only mean one thing. I've had the dreams that my family often has, ones that predict disaster. But I will not speak of those things..

Or anything else for now, for I think I've carried on enough.
irishtwilight From: irishtwilight Date: March 1st, 2002 06:40 am (UTC) (Link)

Our Energy.......

Children and animals are the best judges in the world for otherkin...they know no limits so they just know us when the see, smell, etc...ya know what i mean...i agree it can be very dangerous to "come out" i know my WHOLE town knows aboot me and they either love it or hate ME!...no middle ground...and i lost my teachers (my parents) so i am still trying to learn, a lot isn't clear to me as to how to act and let peolpe know...and how to use what i know...but this group has proven most of what i have learned from my family...it seems to freak most out and then they "see" something u can do and it's like then they want to "own" you...scary! I'm not Tinker Bell for goodness sake! Can't trap me even tho i've had a few who tried! I'm mostly Fae but have "others" in me...some so strange i dare not say...2 people have seen "them" and it shocked me!
I have been sheltered almost all my life and now my mom is gone i'm finding the world to be bitter and strange and very hurtful...she warned me it would be this way and i didn't believe her! she kept most of the bad outta my life and now i feel as tho i'm dying slowly...we have to have someone to believe in us or we really do die! Magick does die! And sorry, but humans r the worse! And for those of u who r part i'm sorry but that whole race gets me! maybe it's just where i live...ok babbling and more confused these days...sorry...
but hey if anyone wants to help i'll listen!!!
outta here!
WingS PooF!
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 1st, 2002 07:07 am (UTC) (Link)


Don't tar and feather humanity with a fell stroke. There *are* humans who are doing the darnest best to save the Earth and carry out projects to help their communities.

irishtwilight From: irishtwilight Date: March 1st, 2002 07:46 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *sigh*

Sorry didn't mean to make it sound like ALL humans...but most r cruel...not all, but most...sadly...*sS*
WingS pooF!
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 2nd, 2002 06:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *huge huggles*

Remember that there are humans who are good.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 6th, 2002 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *huge huggles*

Yup, there are. And there are those who believe in the 'magic', in the otherness, in the need for diversity and newness and tradition all in one.

I know some great humans. It seems that mostly it's in crowds that they become stupid *sigh* Or in politics *heh*
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 7th, 2002 04:19 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: *huge huggles*

*nods* Herd mentality.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 7th, 2002 11:18 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *huge huggles*

Most otherkin, I've noted, are not really herd like animals.

I sometimes tend to place humans in the 'prey' catagory and otherkin in the 'predator' box, but that doesn't always work. Comes from me hanging around vamps too much, perhaps *heh*
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 8th, 2002 05:39 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: *huge huggles*

The 'predator' mode doesn't sit well with me, even though I am a wolf-shifter (and yes, I know wolves hunt).

But then again, it might just be me.

jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 1st, 2002 07:05 am (UTC) (Link)


Been lurking on otherkin for a while now. Work, more work and busy with life in general. Haven't greeted you earlier - so hello and sa'lat'ya to you. :)

Elves with feline characteristics? Fascinating.

Being Otherkin is both painful and beautiful. Painful, because for reincarnates, we *remember* who and what we were. Beautiful, because we start re-discovering what we have lost.

I have angelkin friends. So, I am neutral about the issue.

Hunting down kin? *blink*


illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 2nd, 2002 07:26 am (UTC) (Link)

"Hunting down"??

"Hunting down" has connotations I'm not sure I'm comfy with ... in fact I'm sure I'm not alright with the concept. Seeking-finding or somesuch, yes. but 'hunting down', even if one's ultimate goal is 'postitive' -- hooking folk with otherfolk and community, has a feel about it I'm not sure I'd agree with it.

I can picture an elven crusaderbeing crashing into our hearth and hall, dramatically declaring: "I found you! I must save you! Come, join me and know your kin!" -- it could be answered with several different scenarios, the most positive would be "get the boy a drink; he needs to calm down", after which samesaid EC would notice he was up to his eyeballs in very aware, very happy-in-relative-obscurity 'kin, their kids and critters, friends and relations. We'd welcome the company, but wouldn't need to be 'rescued' from anything.

As for feline characteristics, it's not something one will find in 'textbooks', but is something I can nod my head to and say "yup" when I hear it, at least for the elvenfolk I've physically met. Grace, sensu/sexuality, the need of physical contact, a hooked-in ness to the energetic flowstuff around them. (I'm possibly biased. "Kittyvamp" was one of my nicknames in high school. Wasn't my idea, but I got tagged with it.)
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 2nd, 2002 07:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

*blinks at the visual of an elven crusaderbreing crashing in, hopefully not in flashy spandex superhero wear* Okaay.


Seeking sounds better, hunting iffy with the connotations I can think of.

Heh, a tangent: when I first watched LOTR, I noticed that Legolas was pretty much feline - very graceful. I went away with the image of a golden cougar in my head. Hmmmm.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 6th, 2002 08:59 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

I don't seek. Seeking is looking for. It is mostly passive and many do it from their armchairs. Seeking is oft intelligence based, it is thought and hypothesis and long discussion. One seeks answers.

I hunt. Hunting is done with intent. It is active. It is slogging through the deep marsh to uncover what may be covered. It is physical and slow and wary and careful. One hunts creatures.

But this may all be semantics.

And not all otherkin and vamps are good.
jolantru From: jolantru Date: March 7th, 2002 04:20 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

I see...

illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 8th, 2002 02:40 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

And not all otherkin and vamps are good.

One hunts creatures.

True and true. Mine is a semantic argument at best. That, or a bit of fluff had gotten into my ear and wormed its way into my brain.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 9th, 2002 12:54 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

Yup... I'm used to working out the semantical differences so we discuss on a level playing field. A lot of my knowledge comes from pre-internet, pre-LARP and is very geographical and insular. So terms can differ.

I have lint traps in my ears to prevent undue fluffiness *wink*
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 6th, 2002 09:02 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: "Hunting down"??

*heh* Oh, I am so not the crusader type, though many would consider me so, from outward appearances *grin* I like the way you think, you gave me smiles. Thank you.

When one seeks, one often wanders up and says "Excuse me." A hunter is patient and watches to see IF there is reason, cause, if the one hunted is truly what s/he is and if that being can benefit from connection. I have walked away from thrice as many hunts as I've completed. Or more.

I am blunt in many ways. Hunting is muchly what I do.

'Course I'm also different in other ways. I'm a "city elf" and not a "country elf" though I enjoy a brief respite now and again with Mom Nature. Thunderstorms rock my entire being. But give me steel and concrete and glass... THAT heartbeat I understand, THAT language I speak naturally. The woodsy word I had to learn the hard way.
From: oyukichan Date: March 1st, 2002 08:18 am (UTC) (Link)
I have always held to the believe that angels were around before Christianity. Like most everything else Christians took the idea and changed it to suit their purposes. Their notorious for adopting ideas but not giving credit to their true source.
Sorry, I try not to be bitter.
As for children. I agree. I knew things as a child that I don't always remember now. I try. The thing I try hardest in life is to keep in touch with that innocence that children have. That knowing. It was easy for the longest time. Now, as my life has changed greatly from just a few years before, it's getting harder. My cousin has a little girl. She'll be 1 in May and I went and visited them not too long ago. She just smiles and smiles and is the most beautiful creature. All it took was a look at me and she would smile and the sun would shine down on me. She'll be a special person if her parents raise her with love, understanding, and an open mind.
I feel that I have elven traits. High forehead, cheekbones, almond eyes, and very slightly pointed ears. I have a picture from junior high where it looks like I have really pointy ears. It's amuzing.
But I think you're right about the sense of need for all us otherkin to come together. Though it is a lot easier with the internet and all.
From: tiffilam Date: March 1st, 2002 04:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
::thinks:: I find this all quite interesting...it is true, most elves I've encountered do have more feline-like characteristics...
And as for the angels, they come up in most religions, I think it it's very likely they exist. I say, if some humans can accept us, we ought to be open
aki_dreaming From: aki_dreaming Date: March 1st, 2002 08:11 pm (UTC) (Link)
I can't personally say that I "awakened", though I understand the concept and relate to the experience. For myself, it was pretty much as if I just realized one day what I must be. The word that fit was Elf. I'm not tall, I'm overweight...I defy anyone to tell me I'm not an Elf. I don't believe white is a requirement of Elf. I am, but I don't think of myself as such. Not human, and not white.

What I am I feel in my feet, in my lungs, every time I leave the house, I feel it in the air. The wind talks to me when it blows, not in words, but in energy. I listen because I can, because I have to. Because I'm an Elf. It's a connection I feel in my skin and my hands. When I type, when I draw, when I make jewelry. When I listen to the sorrow behind the words and smiles of strangers. When I hear the resonance of silence and the calling of the crows ( I notice I have crow kin here! Well met! )

There is a lot of magic in the world, and it doesn't have to be dug out or pried loose. It's there, and it welcomes open hands and hearts. I don't personally feel that it's something to be used, like a tool. It's more like a spring, or a light source. It just requires participation to be experienced.

One memory I have, very strong, that's been with me since 1982, is myself--petite, dark-skinned, living in Europe in the woods before the break out of the great plague, during the time when the faeries picture book was first given to humans and the rich took control of it. Definately an Elf.

In another world, I lived in tribes with people who travelled the year round and built fabulous tents with stars inside them. We all slept together and dreamed our futures on different worlds. We promised to meet each other here. Also Elves.

In another, I was a horse queen, tall, white, and able to kick the ass of any one who wanted it. Also an Elf.

The world is a remarkable palatte of potential. Limitation is just no fun. Exclusion is passe. Maybe it's just me. I know one thing. The trees aren't impressed with rhetoric.
shishain From: shishain Date: March 2nd, 2002 01:31 am (UTC) (Link)

When A Body Meets A Body...


"It felt as if my own kind were all that mattered and kept me sane..."
--VNV Nation, 'Procession'

Ofttimes I've heard otherkin say to mundanes, "Our bodies are human, our souls are not." I've said it myself. It's the quick and easy answer to "You guys actually think you live forever/are dragons/elves/etc.? Where's your wings/pointy ears/hooves/etc.?" rather than launching into the explanation of, "Well, some of us have fae blood stretching back generations..." or such things. If they're genuinely curious, they get the full explanation. If they're asking to laugh, they can deal with the short version.

I am in a not-entirely-unique-but-almost situation. I'm an elven vampire. But let's begin at the beginning: My soul didn't start here. When my essence came into being, I was a little over six feet tall, slim, dark Hispanic in colouring, pointy-eared, and living in a warm, dry tunnel/warren in what may well be a slightly different reality/plane. Gods know, it may only be another planet in *this* reality, but wherever it was, it wasn't Earth. Things went screwy where we were, and a large number of us wound up here. We likely bred with the locals, but it's been so long that I don't know how much of that blood is left in my family.

As I mentioned, I'm also a vampire. There's a long explanation for this which I won't get in to now. However, the House in which I am a co-founder holds the theory that vampirism is both spiritual and genetic, and that both elements must be present for one to be a vampire (certain anomalies in the subtle body and a genetic predisposition). If anyone is interested in more about this theory, please visit our website at http://www.paradoxboy.com/quinotaur

As Wildelf can tell you, I don't look classically elven. The meat I'm currently in has other purposes that require a more solid build. I am not a walk-in; I was born in this body, the way I've been born in countless others over the years. I reincarnate, but I also have the genetic vampire components, and may have some trickle of my original fae blood left in my ancestry. The way my body reacts to various stimuli isn't exactly part of the human norm, but otherwise, I'm wandering around in an unassuming bag of flesh. ;)

And how do we explain the satyrs and dragons who no longer have physical hooves, horns, wings, etc? Are they any less otherkin becayse of their missing bits? Elves are close enough to human-shaped that they can incarnate (or just be born, for those who don't feel they reincarnate) in their natural form and attract fewer stares and spontaneous medical probes than a centaur being born in his true shape.

Human bodies are a convenient way to interact with society. That's why many of us take them on. If I were to manifest in my real form, changed as I've been, I'd send people running in the streets unless I was perched atop a church. Sometimes it's just more convenient to look like the locals in order to get a job done.

I'm not fond of this meat. I'd much rather look like me. But I've got something that needs doing, Gods only know what. It's an easier form to hide in, if it comes down to that. I have a number of friends who are dragons. Try hiding something the size of a 747 from the Authorities--it's not easy. However, he's currently tall, painfully thin, and rather sharp-featured. I could fold him up and stick him in the glove compartment. Much easier to conceal. :)

Whatever we are, we look mostly human for a reason. That may change down the road. Who knows? But right now, we've got thumbs, two legs, internal skeletal structures, no wings, and our ears aren't as pointy as they could be (for most of us, at least). So we deal with it-- and we hold to the thought that the sacrifice we made of those bodily features will be worth it someday.

That's my two cents CDN.
G'night, folks.

illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 8th, 2002 03:45 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: When A Body Meets A Body...

I keep going back and forth on the whole I'm a vamp/I'm not a vamp argument, and would like to be able to stand in a group of folk whereby I can observe a larger, if not representative, sample of kintypes.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 9th, 2002 12:52 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: When A Body Meets A Body...

Attend one of the many gathers that go on. I'm told that Thresholds is excellent for a large attendance of various sorts, primarily otherkin.

I expect KinNorth next weekend to draw 'bout 50 or so... otherkin and vamps both. It'll be interesting to see how it divides up *nod*

I'm also sure that there must be other periodic gathers.
shishain From: shishain Date: March 9th, 2002 11:53 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: When A Body Meets A Body...


If you're able to get to Ontario, Canada next weekend, there's a gathering happening called KinVention North.
For more info, please go to http://kinvention.stormpages.com

illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 11th, 2002 08:05 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: When A Body Meets A Body...

I won't be at KinVention North, but will be attending Thresholds this summer.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 11th, 2002 04:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: When A Body Meets A Body...

I've heard such good things 'bout Thresholds that methinks I have to attend this year. Just 'cause *nod*
From: dougthethug Date: March 6th, 2002 12:24 pm (UTC) (Link)

400lb fanboy elf..LOL!!!

Crimeny, I am Constantly Running into those people!
It's one of the main Reasons for My Going "Nope, I'm Insane I'm not an Elf"
and Going Underground and Forgetting. Or Trying too. It seems that A Growing majority is just that.. I just wanna Smack 'em and Say "Youre 7 feet tall! you weigh half a ton! youre covered in hair and you live off of crappy food! Youre an OGRE! not an ELF!!..GAAAH!!
Im okay..really
As For Elves being Somewhat Feline. I once had An Idea that If Felines Traveled the Evolutionary path that Primates did to become Humans, That they would be Elves. One of my "Great Genetic Theories".
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 6th, 2002 08:50 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: 400lb fanboy elf..LOL!!!

Yup... they're oft called gamers, or fanboys or wannabes... you find them in droves both on and off the internet. It's because Otherkin are... exotic, different, unique, and EVERYONE wants to be one of the elite *heh*

Do you know how elite humans are, for criminy's sake? To have survived, outgrown and outproduced, outdeveloped and STILL keep going as the Otherkin have dwindled? And when the fan hits the shit, it'll be the Otherkin who are chewed up. I explain that to a lot of 'em *sigh*

Otherkin DO have physical characteristics as well as emotional, psychological and energy based. Shishain, as she mentioned, isn't the standard physiological type to appear, at a standstill, as an elf BUT... two points: she's not ALL elf and when you watch her move, take a long look at bone structure around the face, you know there's sidhe blood in her.

When people get serious with me and ask "do you HONESTLY believe", I tend to joke it off... it's a danger sign that they're about to go "Real World(tm)" on my ass *sigh*

And we used to joke that cats were nothing more than tiny little furry, four legged elves *grin* Almost every elf I've ever met has had feline characteristics. Just as goblin types and their offshoots tend towards the canine and most giant types have certain ursine characteristics.
illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 7th, 2002 09:16 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: 400lb fanboy elf..LOL!!!

Almost every elf I've ever met has had feline characteristics. Just as goblin types and their offshoots tend towards the canine and most giant types have certain ursine characteristics.

I don't know any goblin-y folks, but I've already lodged my agreement with fey/sidhe/elvenkin and felinity, and I know a few giantkin types who are definitely ursine in nature. (tangent)Now to get them hooked up to this community so my brotherkin can speak for themselves. (/tangent)

Reminds me of "Rock 'n Rule". Nice userpic, btw.

"We're not evil, are we?" -- Need to watch that again, as I'm sure some of my Standard Operating Procedures were influenced by viewing that at a critical time in my formativeness (or something like that), and the only quote I've left from it is this one.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 7th, 2002 10:43 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: 400lb fanboy elf..LOL!!!

Evil... no, but some of us are misguided. Actually, I've met some very nasty and evil otherkin. Find enough of them and you'll find the dirt as well as the starlight.

I know a few goblintypes... though they're tres rare. Neriads... waterbabies... they're rare too. Though the land based spritetypes aren't so rare.

Thank you 'bout the userpic. That's Mok. I adore Rock&Rule... my latest obsession *heh*
illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 8th, 2002 09:52 pm (UTC) (Link)

Rock & Rulecetera

Evil... no, but some of us are misguided. Actually, I've met some very nasty and evil otherkin. Find enough of them and you'll find the dirt as well as the starlight.

You'll find no argument here. Not human doesn't automatically equal sweetness and light. That attitude's a carryover from reading way too many Victorian flower fairy books.

I know a few goblintypes... though they're tres rare. Neriads... waterbabies... they're rare too. Though the land based spritetypes aren't so rare.

Thank you 'bout the userpic. That's Mok. I adore Rock&Rule... my latest obsession *heh*

::nods:: I know who he is. (Mental note to self: rent this again; it's been a while)

"My name is Mok, Thanks a lot /I know you love the thing I've got /
You've never seen the likes of me / Why, I'm the biggest thing since World War Three"

You've got to love him. It's in his contract. :>
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 9th, 2002 12:50 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: Rock & Rulecetera

MMmmm I dunno if I CAN rent it up here. I must hunt it down and buy it, own it, possess it *grin*

I've met quite a number of fluffybunny otherkin... who believe in the whole peacelovebrothership thing... that when we ARE revealed fully to humans, they will embrace us. Ah... well, I for one am going to be ready for OTHER reactions, thanks. Witches weren't the only people burnt in the middle ages. I try to be realistic and patient... so I don't run into any unwelcome surprises.
illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 7th, 2002 09:10 am (UTC) (Link)

Re: 400lb fanboy elf..LOL!!!

I don't game with strangers for that particular reason, and have slid back from the whole Gaming Thing (tm) more and more.

I don't think what we do when we "go underground", "hibernate", "retire" or whatever metaphors we use can be called forgetting. It's denial, an active denial, a squishing-down of essentialities of self. "Forgetting" being fey would be like 'forgetting' to breathe, I think ... impossible to do.

Add whatever disclaimers you feel necessary to the preceding commentary, but while walking through my neighborhood this morning, eating breakfast (good hazelnut cafe au lait and over-chemicaled 'cheese danish' (must put that in quotes as I'm not sure it was either cheese or danish)), this was the topic of musingness.
illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 7th, 2002 09:00 am (UTC) (Link)
I snarked in my initial comment to this post, but a lot of what you've written pings well -- it goes along with my personal experience.

Until I came upon the online otherkin community (which I stumbled across tangentally after Changeling: the Dreaming was published), I would have never entertained the idea of the solely 'past life' or 'alternate astral reality' fey. I still have a hard time wrapping my neurons around the concept and would have to actually, face-to-face meet folks in order for me to have a better understanding of how their world works.

All the real, live, fey folk I'd met until that point were definitely, palpably fey. The reality of who they are is something one could energetically touch, see, smell, taste, feel. That was how they knew, and how we recognized each other. And how I continue to recognize folks now -- the wonders of feydar. (FTR: I'm kinesthetically oriented.)

I have a feeling that the past life folks are having a much different experience of things than I, one which I might never grok.

I am putting my energies more into connecting, comparing notes and otherstuffness with other 'active', 'physical' (I never needed a term for it ... might we need a denotation now?)fey. Those who cannot deny who they are because they've a constant reminder when they look in the mirror. Those who are carded over the age of 30. Those with family history of fey folks, whose pointy-eared or wild-eyed ancestors smirk out of rigidly posed, formal Victorian photographs, those whose relatives nod and wink when numinous experiences happen and who later have late-night coffee talks at family gatherings over the odd things that happen in the family and which members have 'gotten the gift for it' and who in the family may have denied it. Those who are mobbed by children and animals, who are magnets for the lost and the not-quite-there. Those living in the between-spaces between the workaday world and the rest of existence.

These folks are my kin, the folks I'm looking to compare notes with.


'Kin sex: nothing like it. Accept no substitutes. Even 'kin non-sex -- being in close enough proximity with other fey folk to the point where energetics merge and overlap (Venn diagramming, anyone?) -- is a happymaking (and necessary, in my opinion) thing.


Children's reactions are definitely noticed and welcome. It's fun to have nonverbal conversations with little ones; we both know they are aware of much more than their parents give them credit. Baby humor is a wonderful thing, and I like being a magnet for little ones. Animals, too, for the most part.


Angels: there are winged shining ones in all sorts of traditions. Angel is a word used in a particular language / mode of thinking and working, but the Xian conception is not the be-all, end-all. Case in point: before his current employment as leader of the Host o' Jehovah, Michael was a god in his own right, part of the Chaldean pantheon. None of the angelkin folks I've personally met have been Christian, if that makes a difference to you.

Interesting conversation starters. More, please. :>

shishain From: shishain Date: March 7th, 2002 09:29 pm (UTC) (Link)

One wing dipped in blood

Greets, all!

"...Did you ever wonder what a creature like that must be like? A whole existence spent praising your god, but always with one wing dipped in blood. Would you ever really want to see an angel?"
--Gabriel (Christopher Walken), 'Prophecy'

Illuviel wrote: "Case in point: before his current employment as leader of the Host o' Jehovah, Michael was a god in his own right, part of the Chaldean pantheon."

Michael has also been connected with Thoth and Hermes in the Egyptian and Greek pantheons, respectively. Scholar, Warrior, and Messenger. An interesting triad, that. :)

I've noticed that, for precisely the reasons you mentioned, many of the angelic-type otherkin have started referring to themselves as celestials, rather than angelics. Less Christian, and thus less likely to get them looked at strangely by either humans or other otherkin.

wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 7th, 2002 10:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: One wing dipped in blood

Yes yes yes! Celestials!!
That's the term that works!

That I can agree with. Angels... just sound so darned Christian.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 7th, 2002 11:15 pm (UTC) (Link)


Oh, no doubt I'll say more in the near future *heh* Hopefully as discussion-worthy as the stuff I've tossed up so far [amazes me, the number of responses].

Feel free to snark on anything I say *grin*

Took me a while to wrap my brain around the 'walk-ins', those whose souls are visiting. Or staying in a flesh-vehicle for a while.

I mean, I'm flesh-elf. Or part so. I get carded regularly and I'm over 30 *heh* Makes me smile. My whole family ages very slowly. My mom is 65 this month and looks late 40's.

I recently had dinner with a group of relatives my age... distant cousins. They were grey and wrinkled and I thought "Wow! I'm BEAUTIFUL!" *heh*

A label... bodykin and soulkin? *hurm* Fleshfae? *laugh* MMmmmm fleshkin and heartkin. Hearthkin and heartkin? Mmmmmmm... I kind of like those last two.

And kinsex... I'll try it some time, I hope *wink* However, must say that kin, on the dancefloor, raise energy like NO ONE else can.
illuviel From: illuviel Date: March 8th, 2002 10:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
Babble on.

However, must say that kin, on the dancefloor, raise energy like NO ONE else can.

Yessiree. Favorite pasttime of mine, and there's only one person whom I know who can not only keep up with me but can now outdo me. I've a feeling that if I were ever to meet Robin Williams in person, he'd feel like Ben. Amazing amounts of physical and intellectual energy: he's incandescent. I'm hoping there will be dancing a my best friends birthday party tomorrow night. I could use it.

As for labels for physkin, I don't know. I'd like to get windtree in on this conversation, as I think interesting points of view would be added.

My hearthkin are those folks continually underfoot :> as Orélondë's a gathering spot.

As for kin sex: I'm not for random rishathra (Niven-ese for "sex outside one's species -- with other humanoids, my expanded meaning with otherkin not of one's own type), as being nonhuman's no guarantee of being of a compatible energetic waveform and texture to another nonhuman. However, energetic reaction with compatible beings is, like I said before, necessary and happymaking, no matter what (if any) body parts are involved.

Okee, I'm devolving into Caveat Speak. Time for me to shut up.

Babble off.
wildelf From: wildelf Date: March 9th, 2002 12:48 am (UTC) (Link)


Well, each of my significant others has been a nice, normal, vanilla humangirl... no clue why. I'm a gothy elf with touches of other strangeness... and yet I keep bringing home these wonderfully grounded and "normal" women *sigh* As of the last one, a year and a bit ago, I quit on normal women. They try and change me and, once failing, get annoyed and leave. Or something *heh*

I tend to do the goth clubs so dancing by one's self is permitted and expected. This way I don't have to worry about having a partner as few can keep up with me at all. There was one, in Indianapolis, once 'pon a time... SHE was a dance partner. We stalked and hunted each other all over the dancefloor... it was the singular most intense dance experience I've ever enjoyed. Perhaps one day I'll find such again. Until then... I dance alone. In many ways.
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